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		<title>Comment on utilitarian vs classical education by Ryan Garner</title>
		<link>http://circeinstitute.org/2012/05/utilitarian-vs-classical-education/comment-page-1/#comment-23153</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Garner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 14:39:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, let me say that I concur. I think C.S. Peirce would as well. He rejected some kind of &quot;pragmatic&quot; utility by implementing a more nuanced moniker: pragmaticism.  His emphasis on some type of verifiability cannot be reduced to a crude positivist empircal scheme. He at least acknowledges the resonance of abstraction and embodiments. This makes him an ally to your summary.

What I want to add to this conversation is simply that there are more allies in the so-called postmodern vein which many neo-classicists reject outright by association. Those thinkers of contingency (Bakhtin, Berdyaev, et al. as well as more contemporary figures like Meilassoux, Zizek, Blanchot etc.) affirm practicality and &quot;usage&quot; but denounce a &quot;usury.&quot;  Strictly utilitarian notions lend themselves to either usurious neglect of corporeal dignity or ab-use of it. These thinkers enable an a pedagogy of practicality that we can and should employ (if you are right in the above). Only a theology of free and contingent being can allow for usufruction. We don&#039;t necessarily HAVE to borrow their categories but they can enrich our endeavors. Of course, aside from the &quot;post&quot;-thinkers usufruction is at once Agustinian (c.f. De Doctrina Christiana) and Hebraic (c.f. agricultural oriented law codes).

Finally, my advocacy is for a more critical engagement with these minds by reconsidering our grading procedures and various assignments. If creativity is funneled through particular media (writing or graded tests), then there is a unilateral priority of abstraction over the material. We know implicitly, that these are on a feedback loop. So why can&#039;t we be discerning beauty in graffitti or a baking recipe as opposed to a formal speech? This would seem to be the zenith of rhetorical studies: re-ordered signs and symbols enriching the elegance of daily life. I am convinced that a robust theology of change and &quot;use,&quot; perhaps with the aid of forsworn philosophical &quot;enemies&quot; can provide this.

for immediate implementation, we should all be reading Matthew Crawford&#039;s work: Shop as Soulcraft.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, let me say that I concur. I think C.S. Peirce would as well. He rejected some kind of &#8220;pragmatic&#8221; utility by implementing a more nuanced moniker: pragmaticism.  His emphasis on some type of verifiability cannot be reduced to a crude positivist empircal scheme. He at least acknowledges the resonance of abstraction and embodiments. This makes him an ally to your summary.</p>
<p>What I want to add to this conversation is simply that there are more allies in the so-called postmodern vein which many neo-classicists reject outright by association. Those thinkers of contingency (Bakhtin, Berdyaev, et al. as well as more contemporary figures like Meilassoux, Zizek, Blanchot etc.) affirm practicality and &#8220;usage&#8221; but denounce a &#8220;usury.&#8221;  Strictly utilitarian notions lend themselves to either usurious neglect of corporeal dignity or ab-use of it. These thinkers enable an a pedagogy of practicality that we can and should employ (if you are right in the above). Only a theology of free and contingent being can allow for usufruction. We don&#8217;t necessarily HAVE to borrow their categories but they can enrich our endeavors. Of course, aside from the &#8220;post&#8221;-thinkers usufruction is at once Agustinian (c.f. De Doctrina Christiana) and Hebraic (c.f. agricultural oriented law codes).</p>
<p>Finally, my advocacy is for a more critical engagement with these minds by reconsidering our grading procedures and various assignments. If creativity is funneled through particular media (writing or graded tests), then there is a unilateral priority of abstraction over the material. We know implicitly, that these are on a feedback loop. So why can&#8217;t we be discerning beauty in graffitti or a baking recipe as opposed to a formal speech? This would seem to be the zenith of rhetorical studies: re-ordered signs and symbols enriching the elegance of daily life. I am convinced that a robust theology of change and &#8220;use,&#8221; perhaps with the aid of forsworn philosophical &#8220;enemies&#8221; can provide this.</p>
<p>for immediate implementation, we should all be reading Matthew Crawford&#8217;s work: Shop as Soulcraft.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why Study Latin, Pars Secunda: Or, How Love Of Neighbor Is Our Hope by Andrew Kern</title>
		<link>http://circeinstitute.org/2012/05/13046/comment-page-1/#comment-23079</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Kern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 16:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By &quot;this mess,&quot; did you mean my post?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By &#8220;this mess,&#8221; did you mean my post?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why Study Latin, Pars Secunda: Or, How Love Of Neighbor Is Our Hope by Andrew Kern</title>
		<link>http://circeinstitute.org/2012/05/13046/comment-page-1/#comment-23078</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Kern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 15:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This statement comes from &quot;de profundis&quot; (Psalm 130:1) of his experience and observation. It&#039;s beautiful. And it expresses my goal: to reinvest words, especially the word love, with meaning. The irony is that the reinvestment of meaning into words is not first a linguistic exercise, but an experience: loving one&#039;s neighbor is the only way to put meaning into the words, &quot;love your neighbor.&quot; 

Thank you for this quotation. 

As a &quot;bonus&quot;, it led me to this verse, which says everything our hearts could ever want to say: 
Psalm 119:81</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This statement comes from &#8220;de profundis&#8221; (Psalm 130:1) of his experience and observation. It&#8217;s beautiful. And it expresses my goal: to reinvest words, especially the word love, with meaning. The irony is that the reinvestment of meaning into words is not first a linguistic exercise, but an experience: loving one&#8217;s neighbor is the only way to put meaning into the words, &#8220;love your neighbor.&#8221; </p>
<p>Thank you for this quotation. </p>
<p>As a &#8220;bonus&#8221;, it led me to this verse, which says everything our hearts could ever want to say:<br />
Psalm 119:81</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why Study Latin, Pars Secunda: Or, How Love Of Neighbor Is Our Hope by Kim Jahn</title>
		<link>http://circeinstitute.org/2012/05/13046/comment-page-1/#comment-23075</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim Jahn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 13:38:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Today, the word &quot;love&quot; is so spoiled, worn out and abused that one almost fears to pronounce it. And yet, it is a fundamental word, an expression of the primordial reality. We cannot simply abandon it, but we must take it up again, purify it and bring it to its original splendour so that it can illumine our life and guide it on the right path.&quot;

—Pope Benedict XVI</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Today, the word &#8220;love&#8221; is so spoiled, worn out and abused that one almost fears to pronounce it. And yet, it is a fundamental word, an expression of the primordial reality. We cannot simply abandon it, but we must take it up again, purify it and bring it to its original splendour so that it can illumine our life and guide it on the right path.&#8221;</p>
<p>—Pope Benedict XVI</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why Study Latin, Pars Secunda: Or, How Love Of Neighbor Is Our Hope by Nicole in MD</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicole in MD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 13:14:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow!  You boiled all this mess down to one phrase..Love thy neighbor!  Cool...

I, too, am waiting for the Latin tie in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow!  You boiled all this mess down to one phrase..Love thy neighbor!  Cool&#8230;</p>
<p>I, too, am waiting for the Latin tie in.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why Study Latin, Pars Secunda: Or, How Love Of Neighbor Is Our Hope by Heather</title>
		<link>http://circeinstitute.org/2012/05/13046/comment-page-1/#comment-23065</link>
		<dc:creator>Heather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 10:15:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Listening...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Listening&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why Study Latin, Pars Secunda: Or, How Love Of Neighbor Is Our Hope by Ryan</title>
		<link>http://circeinstitute.org/2012/05/13046/comment-page-1/#comment-23048</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 05:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael and Trisha,

Re-read Andrew&#039;s first part.  Partake a draught of irony and beware of utility and instant gratification.  These are a large part of the issue.  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael and Trisha,</p>
<p>Re-read Andrew&#8217;s first part.  Partake a draught of irony and beware of utility and instant gratification.  These are a large part of the issue.  <img src='http://circeinstitute.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Why Study Latin, Pars Secunda: Or, How Love Of Neighbor Is Our Hope by Andrew Kern</title>
		<link>http://circeinstitute.org/2012/05/13046/comment-page-1/#comment-23038</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Kern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 02:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patience, my dear friends. I can&#039;t say everything at once, though I tried to &quot;ramble&quot; through the cosmos as much as I could in that post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patience, my dear friends. I can&#8217;t say everything at once, though I tried to &#8220;ramble&#8221; through the cosmos as much as I could in that post.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Constitution Declared Unconstitutional by Virginia</title>
		<link>http://circeinstitute.org/2012/05/constitution-declared-unconstitutional/comment-page-1/#comment-23023</link>
		<dc:creator>Virginia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 22:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is awesome! I don&#039;t know whether to laugh or to cry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is awesome! I don&#8217;t know whether to laugh or to cry.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why Study Latin, Pars Secunda: Or, How Love Of Neighbor Is Our Hope by Trisha</title>
		<link>http://circeinstitute.org/2012/05/13046/comment-page-1/#comment-23022</link>
		<dc:creator>Trisha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 22:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Though I fully support the main thrust of these ramblings, I must agree with Michael above:  What does reading Latin have to do with this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Though I fully support the main thrust of these ramblings, I must agree with Michael above:  What does reading Latin have to do with this?</p>
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